‘It is unfortunate for us that when the slave and weak nation has a difference of opinion, the world calls it disagreement, whereas when such happens in Europe it is called diversity’, says Hyrbiar Marri.
Last week, Viewpoint ran Part One of his interview. This week, we are posting the concluding part of his interview. Read on: Do you remain in contact with Doctor Allah Nazar?
A Not very much
Do you disagree with his struggle?
There is no disagreement
Then why don’t you adopt his way?
Which one? The way to the mountains?
Yes.
God willing we will go into the mountains when the time comes. I was earlier in the mountains and spent quite a long time in the mountains of Afghanistan and Balochistan. We are not alien to mountains. In the mountains, I met my many friends. I was there in the 80s and 90s. Even in 2000, I spent some time there. Now when the time comes, there will be fight in the mountains.
We also have to counter the international propaganda they have done against us. We have to stand in front of them. It was propagated in London that my thinking is jihadi and I am associated with a jihadi organisation. It was propaganda by Pakistanis. It took a long time to counter it and make the orld understand that we are neither fanatic people nor jihadis, and we are not thinking like this. The jihadi and fanatic people have in fact kill Baloch people.
As you say that you will go into the mountains when the time comes, does it mean Doctor Allah Nazar has gone to the mountains before the time?
I did not talk of mountains. I will go to Balochistan. Whether there are mountains or deserts. I am talking of going to Balochistan.
You are saying that you have no disagreement with the other groups including he ones led by Brahmdagh and Dr Allah Nazar…
Yes. There is no disagreement with regard to freedom for Balochistan. There might be other differing points, but on the question of freedom, we are on the same page.
Is there an alliance?
No. There is not an alliance among us. Our thinking is one. There was an alliance earlier with Nawab Bugti. If that is called alliance, we had been doing some work together. Now there is no formal or informal alliance as usch.
Many people particularly the youth of Baloch nation might have been thinking how you will unite the Baloch nation when there is no unity among you, Brahmdagh and Dr Allah Nazar?
The Baloch nation is united. However, even the members in the British Parliament are not united. It is unfortunate for us when the slave and weak nation has a difference of opinion, the world calls it disagreement, whereas when such happens in Europe it is called diversity. It is democracy of thinking. The country is flourishing as everyone has his/her own opinion. They are not enemies of each other.
Which viewpoints of the Balochistan National Party of Akhtar Mengal and the National Party of Doctor Abdul Malik do you oppose?
A worship of Pakistan by these parties. Both parties do the politics of provincialism and Pakistan. They have acknowledged slavery. It is their policy.
Do you support or oppose the mega projects in Balochistan?
I would have been in favour of these projects if these were in free Balochistan. But an occupier is running it according to its needs. Even it has sublet certain projects to China and Singapore. These countries they have been allowed to do everything, even to commit theft, but give Pakistan a share in it. It is their policy. Neither Pakistan nor China are the owners of this land. Both are joining hands in committing the theft. They are exploiting Balochistan. This is the reason we are against these projects.
When the Baloch people have accepted these projects, why oppose them?
The Baloch nation was not asked what it wanted. The Baloch people know that these projects are not in their favour. The people of Gwadar are not being given land in Gwadar but outsiders are getting the land. This itself is a big tragedy with the Baloch nation.
Don’t you think Baloch people are not benefitting from these projects?
No. It is only the destruction of Balochistan. What is the benefit? Even the labour is being brought from outside. The owners are outsiders. The decision makers are from outside. The outsiders are taking the revenue. There are some people in Balochistan who worship Pakistan as I have also said earlier, they have benefitted perhaps. Zafarullah Jamali had said that he waived the revenue of gas to the federal government a few years back. So they will bring forth such a person who will say that he does not need revenue and give it to the federal government. They are working for personal gains. These people do not think for Balochistan.
Do you have a hand in any way in attacks on these projects in Baluchistan?
I am not anti-state. I am demanding freedom. It is a pro-freedom and anti-occupier movement. They are occupiers. I have no hand in these attacks.
Can it be said that you are in favour of these attacks?
I will speak in favour of these attacks keeping in view the attacks on Baloch people first. All of this should be seen according to the international law. A land is occupied and jet planes and tanks are used there. In such situation, the Baloch people are not launching attacks but defending themselves, their women and children. I say every nation should have right to defence.
Common settlers are also being killed.
It has to be contexualised. There is a war going on; a war for freedom. In the war, there is always collateral damage. In Afghanistan, America says there is collateral damage . They are so precise. They have laser-guided planes, even then civilians become victims. Baloch people are defending themselves. They have no intention to kill any poor man. It is not Baloch culture to harm the poor and helpless people. It is the culture of Pakistan to harm weak people and Bangladesh is a big example.
There is also an increase in sectarian violence. What do you think of it?
It has been unleashed by Pakistan. Once Pakistan considered Afghanistan its fifth province and sent militants who wrought destruction all over Afghnaistan. The same doctrine, the same approach is being applied in Baluchistan. The idea is to make people fight each other. The violence in Balochistan is state-sponsored. It is sponsored by Military Intelligence and the ISI. They are behind it. The sectarian elements were never caught while Baloch people are being killed in their hundreds. The world should understand that sectarianism is state-sponsored phenomenon and they are exporting iteverywhere. Whether it is India, Russia or Chechnya, they are exporting terrorism everywhere. Rumours have it that terrorist groups have been sent to Syria.
The central government of Pakistan has given power to Dr Abdul Malik Baloch to hold talks with those who want freedom, including you. Would you hold talks?
First, I would say that the central government which has delegated power to Dr Malik, is itself powerless before the Pakistani military.
What proof with regard to power you want? They say that they are the elected government.
The previous government and Asif Ali Zardari were also the elected ones. Asif Ali Zardari was openly saying that the military had asked him that he could talk about KPK but he could not talk about Balochistan as that was beyond his authority.
The situation in Balochistan is not good, likewise the situation in KPK and Sindh is not ideal either. Why only you are talking about freedom, and they do not think like you?
Sindh is talking about its freedom. I say with sorrow that KPK is not raising its voice. They have a long and proud history of association with Afghanistan. They have forgotten their Afghan brethren. The Britain divided a country into two parts. They are accepting the slavery happily. It is the matter of sorrow. But we were an independent state, neither we were part of India nor Afghanistan. We had our separate status. The British came in 1839 and Balochistan was free before that. When the British went, we again got freedom. Then Pakistan occupied. There is a Pashtun area in Balochistan, we invite them to join Afghanistan or KPK. We will be happy the way our Pashtun brethren are happy.
What will be the solution to the Balochistan issue in your view?
In my view, Balochistan was free so it should be given freedom. During the recent earthquake, the victims in the Baloch areas refused to accept Pakistani aid. This aid was also begged by Pakistan from somewhere else. Pakistani soldiers are killers of Baloch people. FC is a murderer of Balochs. The Baloch population refused to accept the aid. There is no way except freedom. Pakistanis should also be aware that Baloch are not demanding anything less than freedom. Freedom is the right of the Baloch nation.
What if Islamabad convinces the National Party and such other people to hold a referendum in Balochistan?
They had not made Balochistan their part by a referendum. They came with cannons and tanks. If they had made Balochistan their part with a referendum, they would also quit with a referendum but they occupied forcefully. Now they have to go unconditionally without a referendum. A referendum for separation is held where the referendum was also held for accession. Now the military has to leave without a referendum.
This is an unpublished transcript of NawabzadaHyrbiarMarri's interview with BoriwalKakar of RFE/RL's Radio Mashaal. This interview was conducted in October 2013. Radio Mashaal is broadcasting for the Pashtun areas along the Durand Line. BoriwalKakar tweets at @Boriwalkakar.
